. >> neil: do you think the victims of sandy are fuming at fema now, with the cash dwindling they're prepared to ask for at taxpayer funded bailout and reports that fema and red cross workers in new york were shacking up in the swanky soho grand hotel in manhattan. at least they're getting a discount rate. $310 a night. the red cross footing the tab at $181,000 for their workers and charles doesn't like any of this. and my point on this, i tend to think they got us a bit too much bad press for this, they have to stay somewhere, but i have a problem with it when it's at the expense of folks who are affected by this. >> dave: right of course now they're talking about a bailout for fema, a bailout after katrina and never paid that back and whatever, 16 billion, the post office lost 16 billion. federal housing administration. >> neil: 16 billion. >> that's a common thing, 16 billion, 16 billion, the number later on. >> a combination. >> neil: and after 16, after 16. >> and listen, of course, they have to find places to stay, it was pretty tight, but it doesn't feel right. i use today sta